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Is “Friendly Atheist” a Stupid Term?

My friend Franklin recently posted a critique of the term “friendly atheist”. Franklin reviews a definition of “friendly atheist” by Hemant Mehta and says,

He continues by saying that almost all atheists he has met are friendly atheists, and I have to agree with him. I’ve always said (and by always, I mean for a while now), that the term “friendly atheist” itself is stupid, as it implies that most atheists aren’t, or at least only a subcategory of them are. Quite silly.

I posted a comment in response to Franklin, where I said,

You’re missing the forest for the trees. The point isn’t with the word “friendly atheist,” or “new atheist” for that matter. The point is that there are two opposed camps within the atheist community — those who think religion itself is a problem and should be eradicated (“new atheists”) and those who are critical of aspects of religion but not religion itself (“friendly atheists”). This is what the distinction refers to. Although the word is not perfect, it refers to a real difference. Some have even referred to it as the Great Atheist Schism.

Perhaps you think it is an unimportant distinction because so many of the people you have met have been friendly atheists, but I don’t think we should be so quick to lump all atheists together. When I polled the group at least 19 (28%) people agreed with the statement, “Atheists should try to eradicate religion because it is a major source of problems in the world.” Mind you, it doesn’t say be critical of religion — it says eradicate. I really don’t consider these people to be friendly atheists, and I don’t see how you could either. A simple search for “atheist appeasers” will also show you that you’d probably make several atheists even angrier than they already are either by lumping them in with friendly atheists or dismissing them as an unimportant subcategory of atheism.

As for your other point, I can understand why you might think the word implies “that most atheists aren’t [friendly atheists], or at least only a subcategory of them are,” but you also have to remember that the term is a response to the very negative image that society has of atheists. While it is unfortunate that we have to do so, calling ourselves friendly atheists is a way of undermining the stereotypes and assumptions that others have about us, and gives us a better chance of engaging others in dialog.

I would love it if all atheists were friendly atheists, but we’re not quite there yet, so I think it’s important to use the word — or some word — to talk about the differences that exist among atheists.

What do you think?

Religulous

For atheists in the know there isn’t much if anything that is new in this film, such as the connections between Jesus and other pagan gods, but I’m sure there are still a lot of people, atheist or not, who haven’t learned some of these things yet.

The strength of the film, however, as one would hope, is in its humor. Maher peppers the film with witty and vulgar one-liners, as well as hysterical sound effects and “moment of zen”-like video asides. A good example of this can be found in this clip of Maher interviewing so-called “ex-gay” John Wescott.

One interesting detail that stands out in the film is that, amidst all the extreme examples of religious thinking that Maher uses to make his point, the Catholics he speaks to make their religion seem pretty reasonable — a Catholic astronomer argues that it is impossible for there to have been science in the bible and takes issue with a fundamentalist reading of the bible, and another Catholic says that, yes, his religion is full of silly beliefs, but what are you going to do? (Edit: I forgot to mention the other Catholic who says that the bible meant to say that it is not a sin to engage in same-sex relations if you were born gay.)

Unfortunately, the end of Religulous takes a surprisingly serious turn from the comedy in the rest of the movie when Maher argues that we must destroy religion before religion destroys us. Aside from disagreeing with Maher’s argument, I thought the ending of his movie was just too over the top. It seems to replace the fire and brimstone messages of (some) religion(s) with a secular fire and brimstone message.

Put simply, I don’t think that the situation is as dire as Maher makes it out to be — indeed, Maher doesn’t give religion any credit for holding the world together in addition to tearing it apart. Nor do I think the problems we face as humans can be neatly subsumed under the heading “religion” — these problems are instead the result of an absence of liberal democratic values and the attack that has been made upon these values by the growth of neoliberal capitalism.

Maher also starts off the movie by saying that science created dangerous things, such as weapons and pollution producing industries, before we matured enough from our religious phase to use them properly, but that is where his critique of science stops. It would have been far better if Maher had ended up in a gray space that is more representative of reality than the black and white grunt of “science good, religion bad.”

Either way, as an atheist, it’s still great to have a cathartic movie like this out there for us. The movie is filled with lots of sacrilegious guffaws, so if you atheists go with that in mind and tune out the oh so serious ending, then you’ll have a gay ol’ time.

Daily Journal Entry #11843 06/02/08 Mon

Superbad

Time passed (i.e., feeds), and in the evening I watched watched Superbad. I’d been wanting to see it for a while at Hubert’s suggestion. Some friends online chastised me for watcher Superbad while in Tokyo, but I gently explained that Tokyo is expensive, I’ve been here before, and I’m going to be here for a good while.

I thought this movie was amazing. In particular I really liked this updated model of masculinity that it presented. Gone is Fast Times at Ridgemont High and in it’s place is Superbad, where the male characters show actual emotional attachment to each other, and one even forgoes having sex because the moment doesn’t unfold in a manner that holds proper meaning for him.

It was also touching to see how these male subjects had to keep their emotional attachment for each other hidden (though everyone was aware of it). Thus, it was terribly sad to see them part at the end, where, even though they each get the girl, they do so at the expense of losing each other.

Minutiae

  • I stopped by the CoCoICHI curry house and was surprised to hear random songs like Boyz II Men’s “So Hard to Say Goodbye to Yesterday” and Collective Soul’s “Shine.” They also quickly offered me an English menu, which I’ve never experienced before.

Links

  • Susannah Breslin posted this awesome song and video by Le Le titled “Breakfast.” Hola hola hola, oatmeal and granola — you breakfast!
  • This do not pray list spoof is hilarious. (Via Friendly Atheist)